COL had a disagreement with some of the OFCC honchos about certain of his posts being deleted from the forum. Also, he was at odds with them in regards to how they'd helped "handle" one of the harassment cases of an OC'er cases in NE Ohio. Specifically, the one where the guy who was carrying openly in a flap holster in/around a coffee shop got detained/arrested by the gendarmes as if he'd been carrying concealed. The OFCC lawyers that jumped in hadn't, at least according to COL, done a very good job in brokering the guy's deal, it involved taking a plea bargain rather than fighting his arrest and charges fully.
Color Of law made his displeasure known to OFCC while at the Picnic In The Park, and basically vowed not to come back to the forums over there.
That case's outcome sure didn't make a very good precedent-setter for open OR concealed carriers in my opinion.
Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 11:45 am Post subject: back on thread
what ever happened to the park for harassing that guy with his dog in Mill Hollow Park? Did anybody talk to the Park and suggest that their policy of "no guns" was in violation of State Law? Last I heard was that 'as soon as their done with Cincinnati, they were going to Lorain county.
Guess you're talking to me? Heck, I dunno. We need some more Open Carry walks like in Northwood, but only if they're well-attended and we use them to poke these jurisdictions in the eye, publicly, by our comments to the media. Maybe even confront the city/park officials directly, out in the open. (In a non-violent fashion, of course.)
OC events which draw a half dozen marchers make the cause look pretty dang stoopid, in my opinion anyhow.
Its hard to find more than a dozen that would OC. If its not a sanctioned event by some organization. PPl don't want to or are afraid of LEO harassment. There was a guy in Lorain that was going to organize a picnic in one of the parks there. I sent him a list of all the parks, and that was the last I had heard anything about it. Swept under the rug. I've tried to goat guys into open carrying, some success, some not. Bottom line: guys won't OC as long as cops scare them, until more stand up for their rights cops won't stand down. Also, while I got your attention (hehe), when I wrote that e mail to that nasty lady in Lima, I was chastised for listing my affiliations with gun rights organizations. However, that was the reason given to me that the Lima officials quit talking to OFCC big shots. Now get this: Not talking to OFCC big shots is the only reason given for organizing a OC walk somewhere. I never heard of a OC walk in Lima, or anything else about that story. As far as my open carry in the park goes, I wished someone would of wrote Mr. Larry Peterson a nasty letter, NO ONE said anything to the parks or to Peterson. The parks haven't changed their rules and afaik Peterson is still making false 911 calls on OC'ers.
OC is not correct and most won't fight...........They have been deballed. Afraid we have lost , an offensive is required to drive the point home until the fight is taken to them we are just sitting and spinning.......We either force them to ban open carry or force them to accept it, no other options you will not win the fight fighting them on their terms the game is stacked......Must play outside the box to win....
Splat, like a hermit on a deserted island, I am still here.
Never really brought this up before but my brother OC's--he's been too lazy these past five + years to go get a carry license. He lives in Butler County, in what is maybe called the Indian Springs area. Anyhow, because he resides outside of any city he shoots in the backyard sometimes. This led the police officer who lives nearby to come and meet him. Long story short because my brother is so pleasant and a great handyman and overall neighbor, he's ended up becoming friendly with not only this county deputy, but several of the other coppers in that vicinity.
By now a few years have passed and none of them--or other area cops-- even take notice of his open carry these days.
Living one county south, my experience with open carry has been quite a bit different, as you might imagine. I haven't been arrested or even really messed with by the various PD's, but boy do I get tired of "educating" these officers, especially when I suspect many of them already are fully aware that open carry is legal.
Only once was a LEO outright unfriendly though, mentioning the possibility of an "inducing panic" charge. This struck me as so silly (because there was hardly anybody around) that I asked him just how scared I made him with my big bad gun. His partner laughed at him and maybe got the inkling that I knew that particular ORC section better than they did, and let the matter drop.
Just some random musings on my part...hope you don't mind.
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Heck, I dunno. We need some more Open Carry walks like in Northwood, but only if they're well-attended and we use them to poke these jurisdictions in the eye, publicly, by our comments to the media. Maybe even confront the city/park officials directly, out in the open. (In a non-violent fashion, of course.)