Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 12:39 pm Post subject: I am stupid or clueless
Enlighten me and tell me how we are gaining ground on the right to keep and bear arms
Since the abolishing of slavery that right has been wittled away piece by piece.................The CHL (Permit) is for the old, the tired and those that have given up.........Granted those that have the CHL could help us true 2A by open carrying more regular and start conditioning the sheep / LEO's........
The Question...........I want to know how CHL s, CCW permits and other laws regulating gun control laws strenghten our 2A rights.........
Show me a soft war/ battle that has improved our bill of rights without losing some liberties...................
We've gotten CHL issuance accomplished by several states in the last 20 some years, and reform of same. Also passage of "Castle Doctrine" and "Stand Your Ground" laws.
We've gotten CHL issuance accomplished by several states in the last 20 some years, and reform of same. Also passage of "Castle Doctrine" and "Stand Your Ground" laws.
We had all that when the 2A was written.......................
(C) No person shall knowingly transport or have a firearm in a motor vehicle, unless it is unloaded and is carried in one of the following ways:
(1) In a closed package, box, or case;
(2) In a compartment that can be reached only by leaving the vehicle;
(3) In plain sight and secured in a rack or holder made for the purpose;
(4) In plain sight with the action open or the weapon stripped, or, if the firearm is of a type on which the action will not stay open or which cannot easily be stripped, in plain sight.
B) No person shall knowingly transport or have a loaded firearm in a motor vehicle in such a manner that the firearm is accessible to the operator or any passenger without leaving the vehicle.
2923.16 Improperly handling firearms in a motor vehicle.
(A) No person shall knowingly discharge a firearm while in or on a motor vehicle.
(B) No person shall knowingly transport or have a loaded firearm in a motor vehicle in such a manner that the firearm is accessible to the operator or any passenger without leaving the vehicle.
(C) No person shall knowingly transport or have a firearm in a motor vehicle, unless it is unloaded and is carried in one of the following ways:
(1) In a closed package, box, or case;
(2) In a compartment that can be reached only by leaving the vehicle;
(3) In plain sight and secured in a rack or holder made for the purpose;
(4) In plain sight with the action open or the weapon stripped, or, if the firearm is of a type on which the action will not stay open or which cannot easily be stripped, in plain sight.
(D) No person shall knowingly transport or have a loaded handgun in a motor vehicle if, at the time of that transportation or possession, any of the following applies:
(1) The person is under the influence of alcohol, a drug of abuse, or a combination of them.
(2) The person’s whole blood, blood serum or plasma, breath, or urine contains a concentration of alcohol prohibited for persons operating a vehicle, as specified in division (A) of section 4511.19 of the Revised Code, regardless of whether the person at the time of the transportation or possession as described in this division is the operator of or a passenger in the motor vehicle.
(E) No person who has been issued a license or temporary emergency license to carry a concealed handgun under section 2923.125 or 2923.1213 of the Revised Code shall do any of the following
The way I read the sections A B C D and E they are different points of the law ,with section C showing the different ways a unloaded gun can be carried in vehicle and of course you can carry it unloaded in trunk as section C2 says....... Because you can carry a loaded gun in trunk as section B says......... They didn't give no other way on Section B. (Until section E,of course)They give several ways for Section C......... Section D deals with under influence......Section E deal with CHL only....
B) No person shall knowingly transport or have a loaded firearm in a motor vehicle in such a manner that the firearm is accessible to the operator or any passenger without leaving the vehicle.
You forgot one......................
No - I didn't.
In all seriousness, nothing is "permitted" by (B) that isn't prohibited by (C).
Laws generally prohibit specific activities, not define permitted activities. Paragraph (B) doesn't "permit" anything; it just tells you what you cannot do.
Paragraph (C) does the same thing, except in a massively more expansive way.
Does it make sense? Of course not! Should someone have deleted paragraph (B) the minute they conjured up paragraph (C)? Of course!
A lot of laws are ripe for minor technical corrections, or in this case, major deletions.
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